Episode Transcript
[00:00:03] Speaker A: What up, everybody? And welcome back to another episode of the Nerdjay Report. I'm your host, Pablo. And joining me, as always, is Mister Brian Schultz. And today we have a special guest. Finally, I've been able to track him down, convince him to get on the show. Mister Tracy. Spivey, huh? Yeah, he's Snookin.
How you doing?
[00:00:20] Speaker B: We all good? Happy holiday to everybody. Hope everybody's enjoying their Labor Day. We all work too hard.
[00:00:26] Speaker A: Let everybody know where they can find you.
[00:00:28] Speaker B: You can find me at a cat news on Instagram. All our good friends. A can entertainment on YouTube. Sputin and spouting, tipping and towel. That's what we do.
[00:00:40] Speaker A: I've been having conversations with Brian regarding this very topic, and Brian doesn't seem to be on the team of Pedro Pascal, portraying the reed riches that we know and love from the comics. Haven't seen some leaks, some footage. Brianden Tracy has now slowly converting over to the side that Pedro Pascal is the man, and he will give us a Reed Richards that we've been waiting for, because obviously, we haven't gotten anything great, right? But now it seems like the possibility those who did not believe are believing. Brian, why do you still seem to be on the edge of being convinced of this portrayal of Reed Richards?
[00:01:36] Speaker C: He still, to me, doesn't look or have the effect of the smartest man in the world. I don't buy it, and I think he's a weak link of the four. I mean, not. And now that we're starting to get a little bit of a leak of sort of the. What they're doing with the thing, which doesn't look too bad. I mean, it's early stage. We don't have a refined version, but, I mean, early signs certainly are promising.
I'm all in on Vanessa Kirby. I think she's the best of the four. Joseph Quinn. I have an open mind. I think it's fine. I think it's probably better that it's not bigger name actor, given what else is in the cast. But to me, Pedro Pascal is the weak link. I just. I don't see it when I see the promotional art. I do not see it when I see the leaked trailer of him kind of being the professor and being the scientist. He looks more like a 1960s newscaster than a genius. And I'm just not in until I see otherwise. And I don't. I also feel like, as good as individual performers as Pedro Pascal and Vanessa Kirby are in a vacuum. I'm not buying them as a couple.
[00:02:39] Speaker A: Yet okay, Trey, in the beginning, you were in the same boat with Brian. You didn't believe Pedro Pascal was the read Richards. Now you seem to have some hope that he could possibly do a good job. What has changed, in your opinion?
[00:02:54] Speaker B: Just like Brian, just like you, I was on the.
Why can't we just pay Adam driver? Why can't we just get Deb Patel if we're doing Dei? Obviously, that didn't work.
[00:03:10] Speaker C: Obviously.
[00:03:11] Speaker B: We have to admit now, Kevin Feige. Kevin's on some other thing, and we. I will still say he has gone Hollywood. He really has gone Hollywood. I would have never done what he did with Deadpool and Wolverine. I would have never bought back. But obviously, unfortunately, unfortunately, it worked. The big Disney meeting, everybody's head was on the table. Kathleen Kennedy's head is still on the table. Anyway, not to divert my Johnny Ben, I didn't see that he, Reed is the equivalent of Steve Rogers and Tony Stark. Reed is Reed. They all. I mean, Reed is. I did. Maybe because of previous interpretations with Pedro and other roles that he's played.
I have to tell you.
And Pablo's nice enough not to throw it in my face only because I came to him with it. Bryant. Since San Diego Comic Con, since I saw outtakes on other, other platforms with him and Vanessa Kirby.
Vanessa Kirby is basically the most easiest casting choice they've made since Chris Hemsworth played Thor. I saw John Krasnicki and Emily home run. I don't even have to do anything. It's him and his wife that was done. But apparently, did I really feel that they thought it was just a crowd pleasing thing when Kevin put him in Spider Man? I. You could have. I never thought that.
[00:04:51] Speaker A: And, yeah, you.
[00:04:55] Speaker B: Interaction of Pedro and Vanessa at San Diego Comic Con, she's basically falling all over this guy. He is just playing it. He is being the lead. He is deaf. This is my wife. This is my woman, and she's with it. Like, I didn't think Pedro and Vanessa could do it. Are you kidding me? She can't take her hands off him. It's crazy. And they're legitimately having fun.
I completely blocked out Wonder Woman 1984. He's not a wishing stone. He's not Aladdin's lamp.
[00:05:36] Speaker C: I'm just not there. I'm sorry. It's not there. When I saw the footage, what I like now, that's not to say I didn't like the footage. I liked the originality or the throwback of these sort of almost Buck Rogers looking motif. That's what they showed in the leaked trailer, I was like, if nothing else go different. Right.
As bad as the other incarnations were, you do have to respect the fact that they exist. And I think we saw with, like, the suicide squad.
[00:06:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:08] Speaker C: People often won't differentiate, even if critics like it. They're gonna be like, I already have this. Why do I need this again? And so the only way to really get people to buy into that is you have to go in very different directions. So I really like the.
What they've done aesthetically, from what I've seen, if the family dynamic doesn't work, the movie doesn't work. Yeah. It doesn't matter what else is in the movie. Yes. And I succeed. If the four of them on screen together can't embody love, bickering, heroism, arrogance, like, all this stuff of a family problem, this will not work.
[00:06:42] Speaker A: And that is something that Rady Tracy, I think, is pointing towards in that respect with regards to Reed Richards and Vanessa Kirby. That relationship right there, they're really.
They're really making us believe that they are going to really pull this off in terms of being husband and wife and having the.
Having believed in the relationship and that she loves him for. For his mind, for whoever, whatever. We gotta believe that she loves this dude. Even though this dude is not all there in terms of.
He's always thinking about something beyond our comprehension, he's always having to dumb things down. So that arrogance, is it gonna be portrayed? Is he gonna portray that? And how does she really deal with it? And those little things are gonna be the things that are gonna us fall in love with this fam.
[00:07:43] Speaker C: He has to. It's actually the thing that I never bought about Krasinski in the part I bought the blunt side of it. Krasinski, to me, was never as much of an arrogant a hole as I think this character sometimes needs to be.
[00:07:54] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:07:55] Speaker C: And I think my concern has just been, like, how Pedro Pascal has typically manifested, that is more the Maxwell lord sort of used car salesman style of that, as opposed to a truly sort of arrogant, haughty, scientific, almost nerdy version of that, where there's a reason Reed is that way. Like, he has a resume that allows him to say, like, yeah, I should be able to tell you what to do because I demonstrably am smarter and have done more than almost anyone else, and that's a different affect. So I'm just not. I'm not sold. I'm not totally so.
[00:08:38] Speaker A: But so far, things, I think, are looking pretty good with the Fantastic Four. I like all the things so far that are coming out with regards to what we've heard so far in that is a different world. We don't know what we're going to see. Brian. So far, we're getting little small glimpses. I like the palette. I like the way it looks. It's so much different than what we've seen. I like all that. And they chose very, you can tell that they chose very carefully about who they wanted to choose for these characters.
[00:09:20] Speaker C: Well, it's funny. Like, you don't need to imagine Edmund Moss Bachrock in a love hate family dynamic because he does it every episode of the Bear. So you can just pull up the tape and be like, watch him going back and forth with Carmi and being like, that's it. Like, right there.
[00:09:36] Speaker A: Tracy, what are your thoughts on where you think the Fantastic Four box office? Box office and the effect that it will have on the Avengers film? Because that's what they're. That's when they'll show up next.
[00:09:52] Speaker B: Box office is quite easy with the arrival and release of Superman next summer. And by judging what happened this summer, where inside out is now the number one animated film of all time, people, despite the recommendations and speculations, want to go to the movies.
It's obvious. Inside out. Inside out broke records. People are going to the movies and some other films that really should not have done better. But due to the fact that there's no competition, people went out and went to the films. I just go, hey, I'm just going by what the with the big boy say. This one made this, this one made that. A lot of movies. A lot of movies should not have made as much money as they did. That's all I'm saying. Nothing. Not to stir the pot or start no trouble, but it's kind of true. If there was competition, some films this summer would not have made as much as they did. But we're coming out of the strike. This is the best year to put things out. Next year, they turn the dial up. Obviously. I think Fantastic Four is the contrast to Superman.
Obviously, the Fantastic Four is leading in to Kevin's opus of Avengers, Doomsday, and whatever he wants to sprinkle in the middle. And obviously, secret wars.
To me and Brian, maybe you agree or disagree. The movies that they put in between, those are the movies that usually don't do well. Captain Marvel, because it was in between. Infinity War in game did very well.
It wrote the curtail. Yeah, I mean, but will he get that next summer? Will he get that in 2026? I don't know. There's no blade movie that would have. That would have been automatic billion dollars. But Kevin doesn't have that now. He's putting out the Fantastic Four. Well, he's putting out Captain America, brave new world. We don't really know. I personally, I don't know how that movie's going to do. It might be a. I'll say it over here. It might be a one off. I saw it. I saw the Red Hulk. Was it a stunt? I don't know. Hey, do I want to go back next weekend? Got to have something in there for me, Brian, than just seeing Harrison Ford turn into the Red Hulk.
[00:12:18] Speaker A: And Tracy, before we move on to the Black Panther discussion, me and Brian had a discussion regarding Kevin's exit plan. I want to hear your thoughts on that possibility. If you saw last show, we discussed Kevin sort of setting up the stage for him wanting to go out doing something he loves with his friends, because obviously he's bringing back Russos, Robert Downey, junior, all that stuff. Do you think this is. He's going to sort of introduce x Men, and then he is moving on to bigger and better things.
[00:12:54] Speaker B: The way the chess board is moving around and with the thoughts of Bob has really. Bob. Bob Igert came out of that Disney. That Disney meeting.
Kathleen Kennedy. There's some rumbling.
Dave Filoni, was that Dave's project, the alkali? I don't know. Are people going to point fingers? I don't know.
The chessboard is set up, and who knows? Over dinner parties. Kevin would love to say, I would love to get ahold of. I would love to get ahold of Star wars. And then, of course, you have to run it by George. And I think maybe the way it is being set up, this might be his grand opus. But I don't know how you gentlemen tell me how you feel. There's no way in the world I would not want to introduce the X Mendez to the public. I can't walk away from.
[00:13:45] Speaker A: Definitely gonna do it.
[00:13:46] Speaker B: He's definitely gonna do maybe after that, but I couldn't walk away from that. That's my crowning. I can't walk away. Fantastic. For he's doing. It'll be out next summer. There's no way I can walk away and not introduce the X Men, the Marvel Studios version of the X Men, to the world.
[00:14:04] Speaker C: I don't think that's his end point. I think the first. I think the release of the first X Men movie would be his ending, because that would be him for that would be full circle for him, starting as the PA on yes. X Men back in the day. So can I go back to the box office point for a second? So just incorrecting myself from earlier. I forgot. So officially, they're trying to bring this out in late July of next year. So a couple weeks after Superman is in the box office, I feel pretty safe in saying the critical response for this will be better than the first three Fantastic Four movies, which isn't saying a lot.
[00:14:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:14:38] Speaker C: What happens if Superman is awesome and the box office for this just can't get there because everyone is still going to IMAX to see Superman. Everyone's seeing Superman for a second time and a third time. And critically, this movie is well received, but it kind of just does. Okay. Like, let's say it does, like, 450 or 500 million worldwide. So maybe it breaks even, but it's not a mega hit because Superman is making a billion dollars or 900. What happens then? Like, where do we go from that scenario? Because that scenario is not impossible.
[00:15:13] Speaker A: Say this.
That Fantastic Four could come out to great reviews and audience reviews and not make a billion.
[00:15:24] Speaker C: I don't think any way it makes a billion.
[00:15:26] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. But I think it's successful and it does create momentum for their endgame type situation with doomsday and finishing off with sequel.
[00:15:42] Speaker C: The reason I ask is because my sense is the leash is shorter than it was. So what you're describing, I would say, would be perfectly fine in 2017, which would be. It's a critically well reviewed start. You know, you set the Runway for the characters and then you kind of use the other projects to really build them into stars, which is kind of what happened with Captain America won or Thor one. The box office for those is not amazing. I mean, they made money, but it's not amazing. Yes, but I'm saying now, because they're so desperate for hits and they feel like they're on the defensive.
Would this get Fantastic Four two and Fantastic Four three if it only breaks even? I made this point about the acolyte. Like, I'm still convinced. Like, if this was five years ago, the Disney plus was just starting out, the acolyte would get a season two. I don't care how bad the reaction was.
[00:16:31] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:16:31] Speaker C: Now they're like, what's that? Viewership is down. People didn't like it out. Like, done.
So that's why I worry with this film is that, like, somehow it gets crowded out and, like, pianist might not be Superman, it might be something else. To Tracy's point, next year, there's so many movies like Jurassic World, Rebirth might be crowd both of them out for all we know. You don't know that. No one saw inside out two coming to that degree. Like, there's always going to be a kids movie that that happens with. So it's tough.
[00:17:02] Speaker B: Yeah. Next year's tough. Next year is real now. No competition. 2024 competition going forward. It's. And the rock has a project out they want to do. I mean, you, you just think about all the punches trying to grab.
[00:17:18] Speaker A: Could you name me that?
[00:17:19] Speaker C: What? Red one tickets already?
[00:17:25] Speaker A: Which, which movie?
[00:17:26] Speaker C: The Santa Claus kidnapping movie with Chris Evans.
[00:17:32] Speaker B: They're now riding off of Chris Evans in Deadpool. It's crazy. It's crazy.
[00:17:38] Speaker A: Yeah. Let us know in the comment section below what you guys think of the Fantastic Four and how it's trending and how some people who perhaps at one point didn't like Pedro Patton, the pick for Reed Richards and now is perhaps gaining some bit of curiosity as to will it work.
Yeah. Let us know in the comment section below.
Let's now talk about this sort of trending topic of Damson Idris. Possibly or not possibly, but people are sort of expressing themselves on Marvel choosing him to replace or to be the next black panther.
I have my thoughts on that. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that. Ryan, what do you think of that possibility? Cause to me, he looks like Miles Morales. Possibility. Not no black panther. But Brian.
[00:18:47] Speaker C: I mean, I don't think it's gonna happen.
I think we're further away from the young king becoming the main character than the fans probably would want. I mean, if I just think practically Disney is not giving Shuri the mantle to then take it away immediately, that's not a good look. They ain't gonna do that. Sorry. Like, I mean, you can say that it should happen or you want it to happen. It's not happening. I do think Damson Idris is about to become a pretty mega star because I think that f one movie looks incredible.
And by this time, speaking of 2025 summer 25, that's another July 2025 movie, by the way. You know, he basically is playing, I mean, as far as I can tell, he's playing Lewis Hamilton in real life. That's basically what he's doing. But he. He looks great in the movie. I think the movie's going to look great with Joe Kosinski directing it and obviously Brad Pitt starring in it. So his star will be on the rise for sure.
And I mean, look, I mean, at some point, we are going to get this character, this son in the starring role. But I mean, I mean, you guys feel free to disagree. That just feels like an awfully quick point a to point b to point c, from Chadwick to Shuri to. Now this.
[00:20:03] Speaker A: Tracy, I'd like to hear your thoughts, because the current black panther that we have isn't the current Black Panther that everybody's really talking about. Right enough. So the fact that people are talking about this now very slowly, it's not something that's gone all over the place, but little by little, it keeps popping up in different places. Well, yes. Your thoughts, Tracy, on that possibility? Does that work for you?
[00:20:33] Speaker B: Wakanda forever, the sequel to the biggest single superhero movie of all time, did not make a billion dollars.
We all know why.
We don't agree with some of the things that happened or some of the direction that was made. Nate Moore made statements. This is what it was going to be. He didn't care how people felt. Okay, fast forward, we have the introduction of Neymar. Fast forward. Did that work?
I don't mind Neymar. Hey, did bother me. Now introducing a new black panther that would satisfy the people who said, you shouldn't. You should have did it in the first place.
But as you gentlemen have said, Disney has an agenda. They're not going to break it now because it'll look like they curved in. And like Brian said, it's just not. It's just not feasible to. Now, do that real quick. Do that real quick. Do that. They're not going to do that. And for whatever geopolitical reasons, I mean.
[00:21:38] Speaker C: You go to Disneyland and Avengers campus and, like, shuri is a major character in some of the, like, little they do throughout the day. They're just not, they're not pulling the plug.
[00:21:48] Speaker B: There it is. Now, going forward, when will we get to Black Panther? I think he. I don't know. Do you gentlemen agree? We might get an alternate version in Doomsday Secret wars or as I'll go with B, they'll use Sherry in those two films, and once we come out of it, to a new universe with mutants and storm to have storm eventually married to Holla. Get, you know, get the pen and paper out, get the plot lines out, the thread line, the showrunners. Okay, but that's at the finish line in between. I'm with Bryant. They're not going to replace Shuri. They'll use Shuri. Why? Because if they don't, how many female characters that fit a certain description can they put in Doomsday and secret wars, that it'll matter.
[00:22:34] Speaker A: I know it doesn't. I know they're not going to do it. But Riri Williams is up there. I'm just saying.
[00:22:39] Speaker B: No go.
[00:22:40] Speaker C: That. That is not on the list of reasons why Wakanda forever worked. Sorry, that's my least favorite part of that.
[00:22:45] Speaker A: We talked about our draft. We didn't mention the submariner. Does he make it yes or no?
[00:22:53] Speaker C: It's a good question. I didn't even think about that.
I'm gonna say yes for the reason that. Remember that scene in that movie that was supposed to have doom in it, and then they edited it so doom wasn't. I'm gonna say yes for that reason.
[00:23:13] Speaker A: Okay, so you both agree that this is just a rumor that Marvel is not going to do.
[00:23:19] Speaker C: I agree with Tracy's timeline, by the way. It's after the universe reset. So somewhere out there.
[00:23:26] Speaker A: I agree.
But if they do decide to go with somebody, I have someone in mind that looks the part.
[00:23:35] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:23:37] Speaker A: That is. And I. And I showed him to you, Tracy. Abu Bakar Saleem.
If you've watched raised by wolves, tell me that doesn't look like black Panther right there.
If I told you that that was a white dude playing blackface, you'd probably be like, I think so.
That looks. You could put that in any period, yo, that is. That looks like Black Panther right there.
He's. He's in Game of Thrones. Look at him. He's perfect, yo. He's perfect for Black Panther, yo.
[00:24:14] Speaker C: So if we use Tracy's timeline, you say the person you need has to fill the role by 2029. 2030. So even someone like Damson Idris, who has a boyish look, he's 32 now. I don't think they're hiring a new son of T'Challa who's going to be pushing 40. I don't think there's any way that that happens. I think it's going to be a 20 something when it. When they do it, because they want the character, they're skewing younger, like, we can hate on the young Avengers all we want. And we do. And I think justifiably so. But I think one of the things that Disney is looking at, because it's always about commercial, is they're looking at the fact that the generation of people who grew up on phase one, two, and three were in their twenties or thirties at that time and are now in their forties and fifties, and they've been losing young audience, which is why they're trying to put young actors and actresses all over the place to try to recapture that. They are not gonna miss that with a new black panther. That is gonna be a 20 something I think would have happened.
[00:25:11] Speaker B: We'll get a young storm, a young Cyclops, a young.
[00:25:16] Speaker A: Wouldn't that be beautiful to see black and Storm getting married on tv, on screen? That is a mo. That is. Everybody's gonna go dressed up for that movie if they ever did it.
[00:25:28] Speaker C: And Namor crashes the wedding. Is that how that works?
[00:25:31] Speaker B: And Spider man continues to be a teenager 30 years later. This guy.
[00:25:38] Speaker C: Listen, they did have Beverly Hills 921. Oh, that worked, man. How old was Luke Perry? All right.
[00:25:45] Speaker A: But let us know in the comment section below what you guys think of this possibility of dams and Idris or not being chosen for Black Panther. Because from what the conversation I got from these two gentlemen is that because of how long they perhaps will want a black panther to be on screen for, they're sort of steering towards a younger person. Damson and injuries could possibly.
He will be a star after this movie if this movie f one is called right that I saw the trailer for. It looks amazing. And Marvel doesn't like to lose out on it. They have, obviously, a history of picking up, snatching at these guys who are on the rise.
[00:26:38] Speaker C: Unless Jake Gunn gets there first.
[00:26:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:26:43] Speaker A: James, give him one. To give him one.
[00:26:45] Speaker C: I floated him as, like, if they wanted to go with, like, a younger, hipper Jon Stewart. I floated it. Well, they want a young John. They want a young John Stewart. I was just saying that wouldn't look like the comics classic one, but they're wanting to go younger, so if they do, I floated him as a possibility for that. I don't know that he's the best candidate for it, but, yeah, if they wanted a certain look, it was different.
I'm just saying it might be out there.
[00:27:08] Speaker B: I mean, well, last weekend, they said they have it narrowed down who Hal Jordan is, and I'm going with Pablo. You get.
You get what's his face.
[00:27:22] Speaker C: Bradley.
[00:27:23] Speaker B: You get Bradley and go for it.
[00:27:25] Speaker C: I would be shocked if he says yes to that. I'll be shocked.
[00:27:29] Speaker A: See why you wouldn't do it.
[00:27:30] Speaker C: I'm not questioning.
[00:27:31] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:27:32] Speaker C: I just think what he seems to be wanting to do with his career seems so far away from a house.
[00:27:36] Speaker B: Jordan. But, I mean, being a blockbuster guy and not being Avatar. Yeah. Rocket's over, baby. Rocket is over.
Stop being advertised. Let's see you, Bradley. Come on out. Come on out.
[00:27:49] Speaker A: Oh, man.
[00:27:50] Speaker B: Maybe Tom Hitler and Charlie. Charlie Cox will talk to him. They're all buds, man. Tom Hiddleston, they're going to be like.
[00:27:57] Speaker A: Hey, the money is ridiculous, yo.
[00:28:00] Speaker B: In the popularity, you could go be an architect living in the lower east side. Fly to the stars, man.
[00:28:08] Speaker A: Yeah. Let us know in the comment section below what you guys think in the comment section below and tell us your pick for black Panther. Let us know in the comment section below, and we'll see you next time on the night. Jerry, the show goes on.
